I recently read a review about Plane Talk by Kirk Lorange. The book teaches you a trick about how to visualize the fretboard to make. Kirk also has several of his own sites/forums and is also author of the amazing PlaneTalk book. This is a great DVD for beginner slide players, or for those who. For those of you who get lost on the fretboard while trying to improv, you need to check out Plane Talk by Kirk Lorange. His method is so simple.

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Discussion in ‘ Playing and Technique ‘ started by MacaroniFeb 27, Log in or Sign up. The Gear Page is run by musicians for musicians. We’ve added some “new” guys to the moderator crew. All are longtime members that stepped up to the invite to help out by volunteering their time and effort to loragne the membership experience on TGP stay on the even keel.

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A special thank you to the ‘new’ guys that helping out. Kirk Lorange’s PlaneTalk – incredible! Feb 27, 1. I don’t want to get into the specifics of his method, but it is well worth checking out.

Here’s what I posted on his PlaneTalk website No light bulbs went off as I began reading PlaneTalk – it was more like the 4th of July with each successive page!!! Like many of you here, I clearly knew about all of these elements, but I just didn’t see how it all fit together and what it really meant. I am so blown away, I can hardly think about anything else. This knowledge has breathed new life into my guitar playing like no other other musical information I’ve come across.

I’ve been stuck at a minor Pentatonic plateau for years, trying to break through the Blues box shapes that have guided and limited my playing since the mid 60s. Kirk, I can’t thank you enough for sharing this with all of us. I am forever in your debt. You will definitely be getting a credit on my CD, whenever it finally comes out now I really feel inspired to finish it!

MacaroniFeb 27, Feb 27, 2. His book and approach are very cool.

May not work for everyone, nothing can, but Kirk’s got a logical, simple, unique way of looking at the fretboard. I dug it, too! Pedro58Feb 27, Feb 28, 3. How, generally, does the system work? I checked the site out but it is fairly tight-lipped. Feb 28, 4. It’s the simplest system IMHO to understand the musical layout of the fretboard, so that no matter what key you’re in, or what chord is playing, you’re never lost.

It’s a bit hard to explain without revealing things, and that wouldn’t be fair to Kirk.

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Trust me, it’s brilliant. The epitome of simplicity and completeness. I’m still in the beginning stages of implementing the system, but I can now look at the fretboard while improvising and know exactly what I’m doing musically, in relation to the key scale and chord being played, and what my melodic options are. It has nothing to do with modes or lots of different scales.


It’s a fundamental way to look at music as it is laid out the fretboard, which reveals everything you ever needed or wanted to know as a player, at any given musical moment.

You won’t have to think about modes and scales, and instead, you’ll be thinking about ‘music’ and ‘improvising’ an appropriate melodic phrase over whatever type of music you’re playing. I found out planf this book accidentally last week, while reading a thread about slide playing. Someone mentioned Kirk’s Slide book, which I also bought, and which is also fantastic.

I wish I had this understanding when I first started playing, but I’m really excited about what I can do with p,ane now, so that’s the great thing. MacaroniFeb 28, Feb 28, 5.

For me, Kirk’s method has been the difference between playing guitar, and laying it down for good. What it gives you is a framework for seeing how melody and harmony connect, all over the neck. I feel pane I can throw my hand anywhere on the fretboard and find a relevant note at any time.

Kirk is a big proponent of improvising by playing to the “chord of the moment” IOW, knowing exactly what the harmony is at any point in time, and building melody off of that.

His PlaneTalk method is absolutely the dead-simplest way to track that harmony on the fretboard. People who write software for a living might know what I mean when I say that people’s brains can be categorized as “packers” or “mappers”. Kirk’s method gave me the “map”, and I try to add to it every day. Feb 28, 6.

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You’ve got me curious. I play entirely in open E tuning due to a hand injury. I wonder if Kirk’s method would be adaptable to my situation. What do you think? Feb 28, 7. Feb 28, 8. Feb 28, 9. Feb 28, Mar 5, Agreed, it is very helpful in providing an extremely simple system for playing through chord changes that will be very helpful to anybody “stuck in the boxes” or basic scalar patterns It is a tad on the pricey side, but if I had to recommend two products for an intermediate type player to benefit from, one would be the Plane Talk system, and the other would be Matt Smith’s book, “Chop Shop”.

Both very very enlightening. I’m hoping for more input on this system. I’ve fallen in the talo and can’t get out. Unfortunately, the band I’m currently in has a tremendous lead guitarist, so I’m just the rythym player who occasionally gets a “break” and then fumbles his way through a few lame pentatonic licks before being rescued and bailed out by the “leadist”.

The systems I’m use to studying are all scalar, modal, lickal, and that’s just the way I sound. I want to expand and find something to wrap my brain around to work on.

I’ve been playing forever and gigging just about as long and need something fresh and new. I was hoping this to put the fretboard in a new light for me. I’m not doing it on my own, that’s for sure! StaffMar 5, I’ve never seen Kirk post here.


If basic music theory for guitar has always eluded you, the Plane Talk book and DVD might be very helpful. Essentially, he breaks down the essence of guitar into three building block shapes- the open E, open A, and open D shapes of the root third fifth triad, and shows how those shapes occur all over the neck.

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Once you master the system you can visualize any chord or arpeggio in any key anywhere on the neck. It has been said that it is a stripped down, symplified version of the CAGED system, for those of you who are familiar with that one.

If you are, then the Plane Talk is probably too simple for your needs. If you would like to get started on slide guitar- particularly electric bottleneck style, but not in open tuning, I highly recommend his DVD. Kirk has some great free info and demos on his websites. Frankenstrat2Mar 5, I know exactly what you’re talking about. This book will lift you out of that rut, and breathe new life into your practicing and playing.

No matter what chord is being played, or where you are on the fretboard, you’ll instantly with practice of course know exactly what’s going on and what your choices are. Instead of fumbling around with riffs, licks, scales, etc, you’ll start thinking about creating melodic statements that are relevant to the song and chord changes going on.

You’ll begin to understand the tonal character of each interval in relation to the scale and how it fits into melodic phrases, and you’ll then hear that in other music you listen to, which will further enlighten you. MacaroniMar 5, Mar 6, Thanks Macaroni, That’s enough for me to try it. I did check out the website and signed up and and ordered it tonight. If it will get me out of this rut I’ve been it for 10 years it will be the best musical investment I’ve made in a long time.

Looking forward to something different. StaffMar 6, I’m interested in this, but wonder if I’m at the stage yet where it’ll benefit me. Kirk’s site says it’s not for beginners. Well, I’ve been a strummer for years and have only gotten really serious about learning in the past year, so I’m not sure where I fit in.

I know five minor pent scale patterns, two minor and one major pattern. I understand major key intervals and am at the very early stages of music theory. But that’s about it. As long as I stay with the patterns I know, I can solo a bit with a backing track, but it’s starting to get boring.

Is this the right time to try PlaneTalk or should I work on more lofange first?